Regarding the Pie Incident

I'm going to preface this by saying my only interest here is the same interest I've always had, which is to preserve the diversity of RP here on our server. Also, while I wasn't directly involved, I have spoken to a few people that were.

Now, moving into the issue: No one was forced to have the effects actually effect their character. If they didn't want to do it they could have said their character felt ill because of it instead, and camped out on their ships or whatever else they deemed appropriate. Of course this isn't the only option, there are dozens of ways someone could have avoided the effects or simply removed themselves, without effecting others desire to actually participate in the event. As always, consent is on a per person basis, and no one was forced to be effected, and certainly no one was forced to ERP. I understand that eating foods does not equal consent, but to outright ban an easily achievable action (adding a drug to food before you pass it out) based solely on that fact is absurd, and ultimately only further restricts the breadth of RP that can occur here. this action adds literally nothing aside from another millimeter of safety netting for children that aren't actually even here.

We all know that public ERP is not acceptable, but we are all supposed to be of an age here where we can maturely handle topics such as sex without collectively losing our fucking minds about it. If we're not, then we should probably work on banning violence and murder as well, because violence is far worse and morally wrong than implying that you were touching yourself in a tent or an outhouse.
Banning events of this nature is excessive, unnecessary, and pointless.

Also for the record, I've seen MUCH worse happen, coupled with way heavier punishments, and the effects not get voided. This was while I was a mod too, and was pushing for a void. I'm pretty disappointed that this is where we've decided to draw the line. This was poorly handled from start to finish, and the fact that an announcement was made on top of that just blows me away.

 

To say that no character development occurred because it isn't in the logs, is like saying there was no bullet because you didn't hear the gunshot. Anything that would have occurred in that vein would have been taken off the server, because that's explicitly what the rules require them to do.
You just did the thing you were bashing the previous statement over, by assuming and claiming that there was no development fueled by this element of the event when you are absolutely incapable of determining that due to the rules that you are enforcing in this very thread.

And I'm sorry but I really don't buy the peer pressure thing either. This comes back to my "We are supposed to be adults" thing that I was on about before. I was in the area and was offered pie, with my character Ava. She said no and went about her business. Absolutely no one bothered her or PM'd me trying to get Ava to eat some pie. I'm not saying that just because I wasn't bothered over it means that no one was, but no one here is incapable of saying no or removing themselves from the situation. If someone was truly being heavily harassed over this, you should be passing out punishment to them, not the people that ate the pie.

 

Again, the masturbation part was only the part that you saw, and even those people were punished for RPing the effects out that they chose to have their characters effected by.

I'm not entirely sure how to address this one. So if I do an event, and it causes some other person with free human will to do something that is against the rules, that kind of event must be banned? So if I start a fight in a bar, and someone starts godmodding pulling a dozen nades out of their pockets, it's my fault because I started the fight? Following this logic we have to ban fighting at this point too, because it caused an action that was against the rules. Also, I didn't get the consent of a bystander, so them getting caught in the blast from the god-nade man is also my fault because I didn't get his consent before I started an event in his presence.

 

I'm not strawmanning, I'm making a point by drawing an equivalency. Yes he should have informed people the pies were drugged before hand, but that isn't the issue that's being raised here, the issue you're raising is what was in the pie in the first place. you've already said that eating the drugged food doesn't equate to consent to the effects of the food, so they are therefore free to simply ignore those effects even if they ate the food. If they RP themselves as being under the effects, then they are consenting.

 

but we're not in agreement because you've effectively voided half of the event, and banned events in that vein. Events like this take characters out of their normal state of mind, and force development. I know that aphrodisiacs aren't something that people generally have to deal with in real life, but take for example, that some people who normally wouldn't touch one another may decide to do so under the effects of alcohol. After something like that occurs, if these are people that see each other often, it would cause a change in their interaction, which would cause further developments between the two. It's disappointing that nothing like that happened here, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have, or that in the future it never will. Thus, bringing me back to my original issue of banning an entire kind of event, due to some people acting out.

 

ay I may not be staff, but can you please take this to steam or a conversation? it gets annoying when you constantly have to look in the same thread.

 

No I'm pretty much finished. I've said my peace and it doesn't seem to matter, so I'm done.

 

There are a lot of misinformed people here.

This is a decision that was made after reviewing the event and everybody's actions involving it. Messages have been sent to anyone that needed one, everyone else can assume that what they were doing is acceptable. I'm seeing a lot of people interpret this as 'no fun allowed' when really it is a case of 'don't make events that invite erp'.

People are using the argument 'we are meant to be adults' yet they're essentially arguing for being allowed to laugh about sex like children. Mature themes are allowed, no-one ever said they weren't, but there's a line where it stop being for the sake of character develop and becomes masturbatory self-gratification. It's only when that line is crossed that the staff get involved, and it was crossed here.

You people need to stop acting like we've banned people for having fun.

 

just to get the info here, and because I'm a lazy shite that doesn't like to read all the time, did any real ERP go down because of the pie? Or was it just all nonchalant flirting and the so.

because if it was just flirting, I'm gonna join the passive crowd here and say 'this mole hill really got turned into a mountain'.

 

alright, well, lemme give my own two cents on the situation;

ew erp fuck that's gross, yeah, keep it clean people, do it in your ships, gosh.

anyhow, well, i think the pie is justified, anyone can drug anything in starbound and give it to anyone for any real thing. getting the pie voided because some people had some 'sexual encounters of the 4th kind' seems like some pretty bad roleplay management. You guys are pretty damn dope, and do a mighty fine job, but roleplay is roleplay, just because some people acted like total asshats, doesn't mean we need to void it entirely. Maybe the certain ERP could be voided, and replaced with something else to fill the gap there. I mean, the pie counts as much as FearRP would, where you point a gun at a defenseless person and say 'well, hey man, you're probably pissing your shorts here because you may die, so you probably wanna comply' type junk, I mean, the other player could try to be a hero and disarm the man, but that's got a 50/50 chance of getting him dead.

TLR
the pie should count, but certain events should be modified so all parties are happy.

also yeah take this to fuckin steam and remove it from the front page if you haven't already, it's overneeded drama over a pie.

 

Jebus christos dis pie is some reel sht rite? No but seriously which focked up person makes a pie like that? I mean i understand characters senselessly murdering people (Still don't actually get it.) But who makes a pie like that?

 

Actually that's what happened. The "arousal" part of the pie was voided because it was unnecessary and yielded nothing in the way of development/decent RP. However another aspect of the "drug" was that afterwards people became irritable and angry. That part was left in since it DID yield some level of decent, non-ERP based RP. So the pie isn't voided entirely, just the part that was flagrantly trying to make people start ERPing.