Raids, Crime, and Self Defense

the world is exploding around me

and im just here

crying

can someone hug me i need a hug

 

*Robo-Bro-Hug, no homo*

 

I'mma build us a time machine, and you and me can go back to just breaking things at Liberty Mills.​

 

Well. You're blunt and straightforward. So.
As a faction, the outcasts can be immensely annoying. Even ignoring the lack of good communication, they are very, very disruptive. Whenever things on a busy settlement settle down, whenever stories and character relationships start to build up, bang. Outcasts. Maybe they've got reasons, but it gets hard to care about those reasons when another building gets blown up, another five characters get leg piercings, or another half hour is spent cowering from random gunfire. Whatever nuances the outcasts may have gets lost in the pure 'Oh come ON not again! Just stop it already!'
It's great that people are playing antagonists. It really is.
But antagonists should be a problem IC, not a disruptive annoyance OOC.

 

that seems like a personal problem
because rp is not something that always has to conform to the way you want it to
it's not /your/ story to control
the outcasts are not going to hold off their attack until the end of your life changing bar conversation

if they are a nuisance, treat it in character
there is no reason you should be frustrated about something that happens in character just because its inconvenient toward your character

 

i think the point trying to be made was: the outcasts are immersion breaking at times.

edit: please note the word 'think', thank you.

 

Ma be someone shoukdcyobkillbthem

 

Nor is it something that always has to conform to the way you want it. Throughout this thread, you have seemed entirely unwilling to compromise or even consider the majority of complaints brought up against the way the outcasts are run.
This isn't about inconvenience towards a character - which, by the way, IS one of the ways my characters treat it IC. This is about inconvenience towards the RP as a whole. This is about not being able to tell a story because, partway through someone's sentence, their character gets shot in the legs by a bunch of paper bandit cutouts. Are they really that two dimensional? Maybe not. But they rarely look like more than that.
You can be as IC as you want. Your IC sucks. And it's janking up the whole caboodle.

 

its a shame you feel that way

 

i'm glad you're willing to accept criticism and people making mention of their opinions :^)

 

If you are unwilling to acknowledge or address any of the problems that players have with the outcasts, you should not lead them.

 

Welp, this has degenerated into another flamewar. Albeit a somewhat civilized one. Please try to put this train back in track!

 

My main issue with outcasts, since we're leaving ours here, is the incosistency.

I have often heard it stated. "The otucasts are not a unified group"
Yet they are also a group ready to be called in?

The outcasts are not a faction.
Yet they have suppliers and specific heads.

And the common rebuttal I see to many of the outliers is that they aren't roleplaying as the outcasts are meant to RPed.

I just wanna know which it is? Is it a faction or not? If it isn't, might be a good idea to cut down on funding and gear if it's actually just a bunch of joe schmos.

If it is, keep the funding and gear, lose the alts.

I won't go into detail of communications and consent as that horse has been cut to pieces with the stick.

This has been Mal's 2 cents.

 

Yeah. When you read this, sorry, Skipi. That was very rude of me and way out of line. Got caught up in the moment.

 

Eh... What else to add...

Honestly here's the thing. I get where skipi is coming from "oh it's not fair that you guys can just have all of your guys on for this attack" I get it. It's not fair. The thing is, realistically speaking, where else is the RA going to be stationed? The thing is even if they're all on, you're going to catch the majority asleep in their bunks off guard, still trying to wake up as they have to engage the enemy.

A rather blunt point I need to make, it all seems like the situation can only happen if it's in the interest of the Outcasts. While I understand the whole "If it's nothing major, we shouldn't have to inform the colony" thing, when you do it three times within four days... Ehhhh... it just becomes this feeling of "We're cunts and we don't care about your character's stories". Honestly if you want the Outcasts to succeed as a faction, consent, consent, consent. I /cannot/ stress that enough. I don't care if it's not fair for you, because it's not fair for everyone else either. You need to plan things, otherwise, you're going to look like ass hats who will just do whatever they want, and this will lead to your faction being shunned and ignored.

 

i like you

define success
regardless of how well they manage to achieve their goals in character, i find the faction is very successful
everyone within it are enjoying themselves

fun and realism in rp is a delicate balance, but ive already given my standpoint on it
guards should not be available at all times
it stunts conflict considering that very little rp is actually conducted outside of these tiny control zones

even the outcasts seem confused about this concept sometimes
let me clarify
the outcasts is a unified group, but it has loose recruitment procedures and a loose hierarchy
it would be very easy for someone to find the outcast radio frequency and declare themself an outcast, but it would take much more to actually be trusted by the outcasts as an "official" member

very few outcasts have more than one character at a time
i do not discourage people from making another character intended for the outcasts if their current character dies

funding is not an issue the outcasts have because of ic reasons, but that's largely irrelevant because most members are expected to supply themselves with armour and weapons

 

Progress!

 

Same with the USCM, but look howthat turned out. Seriously, look at that. It was fun, but only to the faction players, and we were pretty much universally hated. OP scanners, -slight- powergaming equipment, etc. I see the outcasts in sort of hte same light. No OP scanners and what have you, but the fact that for everyone in it, its enjoyable, but for everyone outside it, when the outcasts show up somewhere they hunker down and say "Demmit, might as well leave". Again, just try and look at it coolly and logically, see if you can agree with any of this.